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Post  mario on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:29 pm

has anyone ever played the guitar that the v100 is based on and if so what are the similarities and differences you have found or is the v100 almost identical just curious as i have never played a gibson les paul and only seen one once believe it or not very rare around here maybe its the price!

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Post  skrln on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:38 pm

I went into the shop to buy a Gibson Les Paul Standard or Traditional (the somewhat higher end Gibson Paulies), I played them, liked them somewhat. Then tried a Epiphone Les Paul to compare to the Gibsons, and hated the feel of it. Build quality felt shoddy as hell. Then saw this unknown (to me) brand Les Paul hanging on the wall next to the expensive Gibsons and asked to try it out. It blew the Gibsons off the table. Great quality, great sound, great feel. Turned out to be the Vintage V100CS that cost only a tenth of one of the Gibsons. I took it home only an instant after and never had the slightest regret about it. This thing is phenomenal!
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Post  rev48 on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:35 pm

I have owned 3 Gibson Les Paul's a standard, a studio and a Classic antique all of which I compared head to head with my Lemon drop......
The Lemon Drop won hands down the tones and action were better!
If I have one gripe I am not a fan of the factory relicing it can appear very artifical...although I shopped around and mine is only very lightly reliced!
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Post  Admin on Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:36 am

I have 2 V100's and have played a number of Gibson Les Paul's including the standard, studio, custom and even the BFG (one of my favorites due to the P90 in the neck position). Also played and owned a pile of copies including Tokai and Epiphone.

I would say that "real" Les Paul's vary a lot in build quality. You can try a few out and they differ in weight so that's a reflection on the way they select the woods. If you find a good example, not always a brand new one, there's nothing quite like it.

The V100 is a fine example of what can be done with some decent tone wood (in this case mahogany), good hardware and an eye for quality. Prices are kept down because they are produced in the far east. The later models with Wilkinson pickups are a force to be reckoned with!

Hope this help.
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Post  johnnyrobbo on Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:26 am

I've always been a strat player, ever since seeing Clapton on the Carl Perkins all-star tribute in the 80s: his sound just blew me away on that gig & I've owned strats ever since. I've had various different ones over the years - Japanese; Mexican; 70s US-built; Squiers (several) & even a Custom Shop jobbie. I can honestly say that my humble Vintage V6 is THE BEST guitar of that type that I have ever owned. A good mate of mine has a USA Strat Deluxe & my Vintage blows it away - it just sounds so much ballsier, due to the old-style 6 screw bridge (as opposed to the modern Fender twin pivot-point vibrato), and the big meaty, solid bridge block, where the strings anchor. Plugged in, I can easily dial up an SRV type growl, whereas the USA Deluxe, by comparison, is always a bit "polite" - great for jangly, chorusy, shimmery, transparent arpeggios, but no good for much else.

I think the point of buying a Fender/Gibson/Other-big-name guitar is about pose value and what the instrument will be worth in a few years time. My mate's posh strat will be worth more than he paid for it if he hangs on to it for a decade or so, whereas my V6... won't. As a functioning musical instrument, though, it's EASILY as good. or better than, it's more expensive look alike.

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Post  pmclaro on Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:43 am

Soundwise, I think my V6 (Icon Woodstock White) could have a better isolation, but I really love it's sound. I play a lot of Pink Floyd and Dire Straits and I really love the tones I get out of it.

As for the woods, I find the neck a little rough and the wood has some kind of a knot. Maybe I was unlucky with my copy.

But I really love playing this guitar.

I fully agree with the bridge observation. Once I was setting up an 80s Fender American Stratocaster and found the bridge to have a really poor quality, compared to the V6's bridge (and even more if compared to the VRS100's).

Do you agree with the minuses I pointed out?

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Post  Supernaut on Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:19 am

I have limited Gibson experience but from what I've played, the Gibson Les Paul is heavier, sounds fatter and has a chunkier neck that the Vintage. But the Vintage is a fraction of the price of the Gibson but it's definitely not a fraction of guitar (if that makes sense Razz )


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Post  skrln on Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:33 am

It all depends on what Gibson you compare it to. Different models have different shaped necks and different weighted bodies.
Of course there also are some extremely fine Gibson Les Pauls. You have to be lucky to find one that's been built properly though. The ones that are built properly are of course way better than the Vintage les pauls. Unfortunately for Gibson, Vintage produces great quality les pauls every single one that comes off the line. So 90% of the time Vintage owns Gibson in both price and quality, the other 10% of the time, it owns Gibson in price.
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Post  johnnyrobbo on Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:14 pm

pmclaro wrote:Soundwise, I think my V6 (Icon Woodstock White) could have a better isolation, but I really love it's sound. I play a lot of Pink Floyd and Dire Straits and I really love the tones I get out of it.

As for the woods, I find the neck a little rough and the wood has some kind of a knot. Maybe I was unlucky with my copy.

But I really love playing this guitar.

I fully agree with the bridge observation. Once I was setting up an 80s Fender American Stratocaster and found the bridge to have a really poor quality, compared to the V6's bridge (and even more if compared to the VRS100's).

Do you agree with the minuses I pointed out?

I think you may have just been unlucky - I notice your V6 is an ICON model, which may explain the roughness of the neck, perhaps? They may have been a bit over-zealous when it came to the "ageing" process. Personally, I'm not really a fan of relic'd guitars but that's just me, I guess.

As for the isolation - I get buzz from my Wilkinson pickups, but no more than I get from the Seymour Duncans in my tele. It's just inherent with single coils - I know some are better or worse than others, but I can't say I have any more problems with my V6 than I do with any other single coil guitar. I have changed the bridge pickup to a "hotrails" type humbucker though, just for the power of it - I like having a big meaty, mid-rangey humbucker at the back end of the 5 way selector - it's great for those hi-gain moments of insanity Twisted Evil

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Post  johnnyrobbo on Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:14 am

Supernaut wrote:I have limited Gibson experience but from what I've played, the Gibson Les Paul is heavier, sounds fatter and has a chunkier neck that the Vintage. But the Vintage is a fraction of the price of the Gibson but it's definitely not a fraction of guitar (if that makes sense Razz )

I'd agree with you to a point, but I've played various Gibsons over the years & I've noticed MASSIVE variations in the way they sound and feel - many examples I've laid my paws on have had that horrible "dry" feel to the fretboard - a nuisance if it were on a Epiphone, but on something costing over a grand & a half? That's taking the p*ss!. An "average" Gibson will probably be a better guitar than an "average" Vintage - however it's very easy to pay a huge amount of money for a decidedly "below-average" Gibson (especially with the quality control issues they've had in recent years). Whereas Vintage guitars are MUCH more consistent in terms of quality. A V100, for example will be well within the "quality-range" that Gibson manage to achieve with the average Les Paul, but it only costs about a 5th of the price... for a guitar of (roughly) comparable quality. Unless you HAVE to be seen to have the right "badge" or label, then why spend the extra?

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Post  somebodyelseuk on Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:44 pm

Hmmm. For the money, there's nothing to touch 'em, but...

I have a Lemondrop and a V6JMH. The Lemondrop isn't as well finished as my Dad's Gibson LP Studio that he had in the 90s and neither of them are anywhere near my two Yamaha SG2000Ss that I've had since new in the 80s. Les Pauls aren't really my thing, but earlier this year I got the urge to get one. I was budgeting to spend ~3k on a 59 reissue. I saw an ad for the Lemondrop, had no idea about them, did some research and bought that instead. It's good enough to have persuaded me not to buy the Gibson, but to say it's even comparible is stretching it. The finish on mine was shocking TBH - like playing a sanding block - but a bit of elbow grease sorted that out.
The V6JMH, I bought because I was so impressed with the Lemondrop - it means I can have a couple of guitars out at home without worrying about anyone knocking 'em over or spilling drinks on 'em. Again, for the money it's spectacular, but it's not as good as my Fenders and I have a Levinson Blade R4 which is just on another planet altogether. The V6JMH is a bonkers bit of fun, though, with the upside down head and reversed pickups.
Great for knocking out demos at home and for impromptu jamming. Love 'em both, but I'm under no illusions.
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Post  AlbionLass on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:02 pm

I've owned three Gibson Les Pauls, a Studio and 2 Standards. The fit and finish on the Gibsons was better than on my Lemon Drop (and Gibson QC is nowt to shout about) but then you're comparing a £265 guitar to a £1300 (at the time) guitar so it had darned well better be.
The Standards were a bit heaver than my Lemon Drop. Playability and tone are right up there though. I went through a bad patch a few years ago and had to sell all my guitars, I thought I'd never be able to bring myself to start playing again as I'd never be able to afford guitars as good as they were but I waited 5 years or so and the Lemon Drop was the only guitar I tried that was in my budget that gave me anywhere near the same vibe as the Gibsons.
If someone offered my my three Gibsons back I'd rip their hand off and offer to have their babies, however I wouldn't sell my Lemon Drop and I suspect it would still get a heck of a lot of use.
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